The Cattle Herd of Movie Extras

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I’ve always felt bad for extras. They show up on set, get thrown into the fire of production, and are asked to stay put and stay quiet all while everyone works around them.

And they do all this in the hope of a brief glimmer of fame and a quick buck if they’re lucky.

They usually have no idea what is going on, what to do, or who they can talk to. That’s why you find the extras always trying to sneak from their holding area into craft services. What else are they going to do?

Living the Life of Cattle

Alfred Hitchcock once said: “I didn’t say actors are cattle. What I said was, actors should be treated like cattle.”

Hitchcock was onto something. If you substitute in “extras” for “actors,” the metaphor holds even more true.

I know it sounds harsh, but give it a moment to sink in: They both get wrangled around, they both sit all day munching on food, and neither really knows what is going on around them. And just like their bovine counterparts, extras are constantly being referred to as dumb, dimwitted, and clueless.

They get shoved into small holding rooms while they wait to get taken to the factory floor of the set and become unknowingly submitted to the meat grinder of production.

At the end of the day, they’re sent home with either a pat on the back and a thank you or a small check for their services. Often tired and beat from a day’s worth of hurry up and wait.

OK, I’ll admit, it isn’t always that bad. Many crew do their best to treat extras kindly and the assistant directors (AD) always try to make sure they know what they’re getting into before the ball gets rolling.

But still, I wouldn’t ever want to be one — it always looks like a miserable experience to me.

There’s Always that One Extra

It’s because of the nature of my job that I interact with extras a lot of the time.

If there’s even a tiny moment where I look non-busy, standing by the camera, or doing some menial task like cleaning it, an extra comes up to me. Like flies drawn to the light, they see me near the camera and can’t help but approach.

In one instance, an extra hovered over my shoulder and never spoke a word. A different extra once handed me a business card with a mini pitch about their acting skills thinking I could somehow get them a gig.

Most of the time, though, it starts with an innocent question, “So what are you shootin’ on?”

If I have time, I humor the person with small talk about the camera, what it does, and try to put the technical terms into a more generic frame.

After a few moments, they tend to understand I’m busy and will carry on with their cattle strewn ways.

But there’s always the one who takes it a step further.

This happened to me on set early last month. The extra was, to be fair, a good sport about his less than stellar job, but at every chance he could sneak away from the AD’s glaring eyes and come over to the camera, he would.

“Yeah, I used to shoot some stuff back in the day, so I know a little bit about film.”

As he expounded on his breadth of experience, all I could think was, “if you know about film then why aren’t you making any?” or, more importantly, “if you actually did work in film, why the hell did you agree to be an extra?”

He told me how he was a cinematographer, how he used to shoot on Mini DV when those cameras first came out, and ultimately how he was trying to get back into the craft. This went on for awhile and the more he spoke, the more I got the sense he was never legitimate in the first place.

I was trying hard not to judge too much when I got saved by my 2nd assistant camera who needed some help. I briefly motioned that I had to go and scooted out of there.

I never once did talk to that one extra again for the rest of the shoot as the scenes started getting crazy and I had less and less downtime to be approached.

‘Till the Cows Come Home

At the end of the shoot, I was checking footage near the holding area where the extra who had approached me was talking to another extra, both happy to have just been wrapped.

“Well, today was fun!” he said nervously, “Say — I was going to go to the bar and grab a tonic. Would you like to join me?”

There was a long pause and moment of consideration here. This guy had built up the courage to drop the bomb and ask this woman on a date, but every moment she spent thinking about it, the less of a chance he had.

“Hmmm… No, I really shouldn’t. Thank you though, Roger!”

And with that she walked away. I didn’t turn around, but I could feel rejection stewing in the air.

At this point, I genuinely felt bad for him because he had spent all day with people he didn’t know, trying to be friendly, only to end up going home empty handed and alone. I also got the impression he was looking for some fame, recognition, and to be a part of something great.

In that sense, extras are in pursuit of the same thing crew are. They want to be involved, somehow, anyway possible, in making a movie.

Extras have dreams of more presence (read: featured extra) in the final film than the blurry face in the background. Similarly, you and I have dreams of having more presence in the industry than another face on the crew. Maybe that means you want to direct or DP. Maybe you simply want to be the best at the position you already do.

Just like extras, we show up to set and we’re all put through the same meat grinder. The difference being we get paid (most of the time) and they don’t get paid (usually).

As the card I was dumping finished up, I watched Roger saunter around the corner and muttered under my breath, “Well, maybe next time.”

What experiences do you have with extras? Good or bad I want to hear them, please let me know in the comments!

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  • http://www.facebook.com/neil.ferdowsian Neil Ferdowsian

    Just last year I was the 1st AC for a short film when I was in Australia and when ever there was a short break or any time to set up for the next shot the extras always came over to me and asked that same question “So what are you shootin’ on?”  I try to be as kind as possible and not say to them “I’m really busy right now leave me alone” but after the 10th extra comes over to you and asks the same question it just gets really frustrating.  You just have to keep a calm head and get on with your work while being as kind as possible to people, you don’t want to be working on a set where you piss some one off, it’ll just ruin the shoot for you and them.

  • http://www.theblackandblue.com/ Evan

    I agree. It’s tough because you know they’re genuinely interested and excited, but you don’t have time to really sit down and talk to them in the kind of detail they want.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=7717548 Lawrence Marshall

     I would say that I am more informed than the extra that spoke to you Evan, and I’ve been an extra on the film “Contagion”.  It was like cattle, but we got paid, and yes, I was way more interested in the cameras, angles, and procedures than I was with the Hollywood stars.  Yes, I wanted to talk to the camera dept, but I realize they are busy, just as I am when I’m the DP/AC, so I stayed away.  The type of people that are genuinely interested in the camera, are exactly the people who don’t ask because they likely know better.  The type that do ask, are more often than not, excited by it, but do not know how a set works and that’s it’s best to just stay put.  So the next time you see a person watching the camera from a distance, it’s probably someone like me.

    PS. I think you might see my elbow or chin in Contagion in a MS or CU :)

  • Colleen

    I was an extra on the film “Real Steel” that was filming up in Michigan this past summer and it turned out to be a wonderful experience for me. I should mention that I had just graduated with a degree in film production :] At the time there were absolutely no film opportunities happening in Ohio, and I was eager to see a large production in full swing. It was honestly the best experience I could hope for. I was very lucky to have a chance encounter with the director of photography, who openly invited me to set for a few days after I told him of my aspirations in the camera department and how I admired his work on Avatar. However, like Larry said, I knew when to be respectful and not ask questions/get in the way of anyone who was busy. And I was smart enough not to ask questions, like “whatcha shooting on?” and just observe and soak up the entire experience for what it was worth. I too got frustrated with the extras around me who complained of being tired and bored — I couldn’t help but say A) you didn’t get up as early as the crew did, and B) they’ve been doing a hell of a lot more than you have, so what do you have to complain about? 

    I guess what I’m trying to say is that not all extras are bad — most are pretty irritating — but every once and a while you’ll find someone like me, who just wants to learn :]

  • Adam Richlin

    Yeah it’s also hard to remember that for that 10th person, this is their first question. You may have heard it 9 other times, but this is the first time they are seeing you. 

    When you get mad at the repetition, try to remember this is a new conversation not one person’s question repeated 10 times. Kind, polite, and carry on!

  • http://www.facebook.com/neil.ferdowsian Neil Ferdowsian

     Yeah, well after the 3rd person asked the same question I decided to just come up with a general answer that I can say to each person, it worked out and it didn’t sound rude.  It’s funny though, it was a small shoot so every one, cast and crew went out for coffee after the shoot and from there I became best friends with most of the extras from that film…

  • Dominic

    It is easy to think about extras as the non-educated, naively fame pursuing persons, who think that THAT role as a background artist will get them to Hollywood. That is, because all of us have met that one annoying extra, and we’ll always think of him (or her) when we see other extras. But most of them are nice people. I met an extra once, who was a businessman, returned from Turkey the day before, and was on the set because he was interested in the process of shooting a movie, and that was his day off.
     
    Of course, there are also a bunch of them who think they are the greatest and annoy you with just being there. But then you have to think, that even they are potential customers of what you are producing at that very moment, thus, paying you indirectly (by watching the show on TV, recommending it to others or just telling about the great day they had on the set of that movie).
     
    When people, not only extras, but sometimes bystanders, ask stuff like (most often as already mentioned ;) ) the very famous question “what are you shooting on”, and I don’t have time or am just not in the mood, I’ll answer something like:  “These are 16mm cameras from Arri, so we are shooting on film, since it still superior to digital. And as much as I like to tell you more about that, but we’re really busy right now, even if we don’t look like it, as most of us don’t. But thank you for asking!” With that, you gave them some information that they wanted, an explanation to that information, an excuse why you can’t talk more with the good feeling for them that you would if you could, and you leave them with good spirits. Most of them are genuinely interested in your job, and by explaining what you’re doing, you help them understand and appreciate your work. 

  • http://www.theblackandblue.com/ Evan

     Haha! That’s funny you became friends with them. I worked on a shoot like that where the extras ended up being in the cast & crew picture at the end cause the set was so small. Oddly enough, not one of them talked to me during the whole shoot…

  • http://www.theblackandblue.com/ Evan

     Lawrence,

    I thought about your story while writing this post because I remember you mentioning that you started out doing extra work.

    You’re right about the types who ask and who don’t ask, though I’m sure there’s overlap.

    In fact, I don’t mind people watching me or even asking me questions if I get a sense that they have a real interest and passion in the job.

  • http://www.theblackandblue.com/ Evan

     You’re absolutely right! Not all extras are bad, it’s like anything — always a few bad apples amongst many good ones.

    That does sound like a great experience and I’m happy that it went so well for you. Very cool and chill of the DoP to invite you back so you could observe. In fact, I’m a little jealous :P

  • http://www.theblackandblue.com/ Evan

     I’ve never framed extras in my mind as customers, Dominic, but that’s a good point. I would’ve never thought of it that way.

    I read your answer to the “whatre you shootin on” question really fast in my mind, because that’s how I imagine it would get said :P

    But, you’re right, in a way they deserve a moment of our time to answer their genuine question and satisfy their sincere curiosity. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=744617424 Edgar Vladimirovich

    Being an extra on big productions the rate is higher than camera trainee’s, and you get extra £18 ($30) if it rains, or your hair cut, or you have to wear to sets of clothing that day :) Don’t ask me how I know – my friend is an extra. 

  • Dominic

    Haha, you’re right, Evan, the answer does come out kinda fast, and mostly while doing something on the camera… :D 

  • http://www.theblackandblue.com/ Evan

     Probably while trying to fix something vitally important on the camera that if it doesn’t get done right then will cost production thousands of dollars :)

  • http://www.theblackandblue.com/ Evan

     So maybe on bigger productions it’s not a bad gig! Although I once read an expose from someone who was treated without much care on a major studio film. I’ll have to see if I can find it…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=7717548 Lawrence Marshall

     Thanks for commenting Colleen, I too am jealous that you got to hang out with Mauro Fiore…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=7717548 Lawrence Marshall

     Thanks for thinking of me–and as for the types who ask and don’t, there is overlap like you said.  When we’re talking about people, nothing is hard and fast, people do and act differently.  I probably have nothing to really lose if I ask a cam op or AC “what you shootin’ on” other than a hard look and a “go away”.  If I don’t get that, I’m learning something and it’s worth it.  I would just time the question well, and probably preface with, “I know you’re busy…” as I find if you can establish that you know they are busy first, many will respond more positively.  

  • http://www.theblackandblue.com/ Evan

     That and I’ve also been more receptive to those who tell me they want to learn as opposed to those who try and show off their knowledge to me. I’ve spent a long time talking to some extras who told me they were really interested in how it all worked and would ask very good questions. The ones that ask me what I’m shooting on so they can eventually chime in and try and impress me are the ones I could care less about.

  • http://www.facebook.com/neil.ferdowsian Neil Ferdowsian

     It just seems to be a love hate relationship with the extras, you can either get the type of extras who are really friendly and you actually enjoy talking to them or you can get the types that either stay to them self or think they’re a pro and know everything about the process of making a film.

  • http://hollywoodjuicer.blogspot.com/ Michael Taylor

    I suppose that’s one benefit to being a juicer — extras often want to talk (which is fine, within limits), but they rarely bother attempting to impress a juicer with their vast knowledge of film.  Most of them are too busy staring at the camera… 

  • http://www.theblackandblue.com/ Evan

    Well and us camera guys don’t do much but stand around and watch you juicers work :P I’m curious though, since I know from reading your blog you work a lot of TV, do you experience a lot of audience members trying to chat with crew?

  • Laurelstrack

    You need to respect these human beings.I am an actress that works union extra sometimes and we work hard. Have some respect!

  • http://www.theblackandblue.com/ Evan

    I do respect extras! I’m not saying they are cattle, just drawing a conclusion from a quote by Alfred Hitchcock. And if you read the post, I mention multiple times how I feel bad for extras and the work they do isn’t easy. At the end, I draw parallels between film crews and the extras working on the film. We are all in it for the same reason.

  • http://www.facebook.com/william.h.stine William H. Stine

    That is a pretty good article. I myself have been on both sides of the spectrum. I have been an extra on some film productions worked in the film crew as a makeup artist or production assistant. I usually take an extra role when there are no more crew positions left that are not filled by union people.

    As an extra, I to be respectful to the crew, but I always see that look in their eyes that reads “Look at me. I am a Hollywood big shot while your a country bumkin.” I know that sounds harsh, but that is what I see. I keep that in mind when I’m working as a makeup artist on a film.

    I do have a good story about how i was able to crack the crew/extra barrier. I was an extra on an episode of One Tree Hill. During the long waits in the holding room, I was making a reptile monster prostetic for a low budget shoot. It was a unique way to track to the attention of the crew as well as be complete this task for the next shoot coming up. Many of the other extras walked by me, asked questions, and were taking pictures. Sadly, none of the PA’s were pay me any attention. Then we all the way to the set for filming. Several extras and I were not needed at that point so we came back to the holding area. What surprise me was two pa’s were taking pictures and looking at my prostetic work. They asked me if this was my doing and I said yes. They liked it and they left to go back to set.

    As the day went on, I did my “acting” in the 1940′s set in my pin-striped suit. Lunch came and I was heading to the holding area when I was approached by one of the PA’s from before. He was with an older gentleman. I said hello and spoke when it was appropriate. Turns out that the guy was the head makeup artist and he was impressed by the pictures of my work that the PA took. unfortunately my not being in the union prevented him from bringing me on his next project, but we exchanged cards and he told me to let him know when I filled out the application for the Local 798.

    That gave me a boost of confidence, and the director of the other shoot loved the reptile prosthetic. It to show that being an extra is not always a bad thing .

  • http://www.theblackandblue.com/ Evan

    Great story, William! Thanks for sharing it. I agree that crew do have a tendency to look down on extras (I’m certainly no exception at times), but most don’t mind as long as the extras keep their space. I guess everyone has had bad experiences with extras and it paints them all in a bad light. Crew just don’t have the time nor energy to risk lending a conversation to someone who might end up dragging on them during the shoot.

  • http://www.diyfilmschool.net/ DIYFilmSchool.net

    Why an actor would approach an AC for a role is beyond me, but I guess we should appreciate the opportunism.

    I’ve been an extra before and have actually used the opportunity of being an extra to scout talent. You should have seen the face of this PA when I told her I’m an AD/Producer.

    I’m sure you’re probably thinking back to your comment “if you’re a cinematographer, why aren’t you making films”, but at the time of my being an extra on the project I referred to, I had just come off a week-long production and I wanted to do something different.

    Being an extra is cool if you don’t care about being featured and it’s a great way to get paid to go fishing, so to speak.

    I didn’t find any stellar players on the crew for the project I was acting in (term used loosely), but they did function well as a group.